Ives Family History Blog

Grave of Jeremiah and Hannah Ives

Thanks to D. Rochon who sent me the link - below is the picture of the grave of Hannah and Jeremiah Ives. It is in the Elmwood cemetery in Holyoke, MA. Captain Jeremiah Ives (5) was the son of Jonathn Ives (1716 - 1792). He was born on Nov. 19, 1738 in New Haven. He married Hannah Bassett on June 7, 1768 in New Haven, CT. Hannah was born on Dec. 26, 1739 in New Haven, CT. and died Sept. 14, 1803 in West Springfield, MA. Jeremiah served in the French and Indian War, enlisting twice in 1758 and 1760 in the Sixth Company from New Haven under Capt. Hitchcock. He bought land in Hamden, CT on February 16,1775 from David Woofter for 4 pounds, one shilling, and four pence (see below). Jeremiah fought in Revolutionary War. (See David Wooster) He later moved to West Springfield MA after 1780 and is listed in the 1790, 1800, 1810, 1820 US Census in W. Springfield.

Here is a link to more information on Jeremiah and Hannah Ives and their family. 

 

New Photos of 1966 Northampton Street, Holyoke, MA

I recently recieevd these great photos from D. Rochon who also provided this context: " I was driving down Northampton Street in Holyoke last Sunday and stopped to take a few pictures of 1966 Northampton Street (side view) from the Baptist Church Parking Lot. I thought you might enjoy them.  I lived across Carlton Street from this house from 1954 through 1978. Two of my childhood friends rented an attic apartment at 1966 Northampton Street, so we played there a lot. An elderly couple by the name of Ritterman owned the home at that time. We used to play on the snow banks of the Baptist Church.  In the springtime, there were beautiful white lilacs in the yard. As you can see, the house has been very well maintained. I admire the outstanding architecture of this era."

Ellen Ives is listed in the 1912 Holyoke Directory at 1966 Northampton St., along with her brother Dwight, a farmer. Here is a link to a 2003 picture. 

Update: i found out from Carl Eger, the owner of this home for some time that Dwight Ives, the original owner, was the head Deacon of the next door Baptist Church as well as the first President of the Holyoke National Bank, which was located on the north west side of High St, across from City Hall. He also had built, for his two sisters, the home adjacent to this home, which is down Carlton St (formerly aka Mechanic Street that was the first publicly accepted street in Holyoke). His sister, Ellen had moved in this house by 1912. 

  

 

New Clues on the Parents of William Ives (1607 – 1648)

I recently received some interesting clues on the parents of William Ives from Morgan Ives. Here is what he found – ancestry.com had a post for a woman named Allison Newhall who was working on her family tree. It is dated June 13, 2001 and has the ID# 10628. The entry has just a few lines about William and states that he was “born about 1585 in Wilby, England. He married Amy Orlingbury 13 August 1601 in Wilby. She was born about 1585 in Wilby.” The entry goes on to describe the birth of their son, William, in 1607 in Wilby, but does not provide a date of birth.

He found another post on ancestry.com under the heading Orr/Sundholm/Radulovich Family tree that was done by William Orr. It is dated 8/26/01 and has the ID# 11144. It contains information about William that indicates his passage on the True Love, and lists his parents as William Ives and Amy Orlingbury, but shows a birthdate of 9/19/1618 and birthplace of Ipswich, Suffolk, England.

He found a third post on ancestry under the James H. Ives family tree dated 3/29/01 that basically mimics the info in the Newhall post referenced above, i.e. the 1607 birthdate.

Morgan concluded that the question of when and where William was born is an open one. Wilby is about 100 miles west of Ipswich, so its certainly conceivable that they migrated from one to the other. To further cloud the picture there is also a Wilby in Norfolk which is only about 20 miles from Ipswich so that could also be a possibility.   I would add the Norfolk Wilby would fit what I have heard about William Ives but then my source is not conclusive.

Since there are no mention of primary sources on these posting on William Ives parents we have to treat them as clues but they are the best clues I have seen on William Ives parents that I have seen. He do know for sure from ship records  that he came on the ship True Love in 1635 at age 28 so the birth date of 1607 is accurate. I encourage any interested readers to explore these clues and let us know what you find. Thanks to Morgan for making these clues available. 

 

Updated Ives Family History Blog Summary

I started this blog on February 15, 2007 with this post Ives Family Blog Overview. I first did this summary on October 4, 2007 and this is just an update. I have put up a total of 246 posts so far. I am still getting many comments and have 358 so far (7/2011 update). As I said then, I am writing about the descendents of William Ives, one of the founders of New Haven CT. It is not like a regular blog that posts on current events and does not go back and makes changes to prior posts. Rather it is an online draft history that I hope to continue to improve. I intend to continue to modify this document on an ongoing basis and welcome all comments, additions, and corrections. This includes going back and correcting material already posted when new evidence arrives. Below is an Ives family gathering in Pinebluff North Carolina in the early 1900s. My great grandfather, Sumner Abraham Ives, is on the far right. My grand father, Sumner Albert Ives, is next two him. The two women are my great grandmothers, Alice Dunbar Ives and Eulalia Sharp.

I have now provided all the research that I have completed to date. There have been around 100,000 page views (7/2011 update) since I started with an average of 63 a day, over a 100 on some days. I have met a number of new relatives and learned new information about the Ives family. I will continue to make periodic updates through new posts and corrections to existing material. You suggestions are welcome.

 

Current Photo of William Ives New Haven Property in 1640s

Richard Ives has again provided a great service to the readers of this blog. See - Record of William Ives Departure to New England in 1635 for an earlier contribution. What follows is his comments to go with the picture only slightly edited by me. He was in New Haven over the holidays and after some serious consultation of old maps was able to pinpoint the precise location of William Ives's home lot, as it appears on the 1641 Brockett map, drawn the year before William and Goodwife Ives' first child, Phebe, was born. Although the site today is, part of the parking lot of a medical building, he found it interesting nevertheless.

The photo seen on the left was taken at the west end of William's house lot - the first property that William was granted after his arrival at Quinnipiac in 1638.

(The photo was taken looking roughly due east.) William's lot was about 50 feet wide by 100 feet long and is pretty much contained by the area shown in the photograph. The hedge and chain link fence on the left side of the photo mark the northern boundary of his property. The snow piled up at the far end of the parking lot marks its eastern boundary. The southern boundary, parallel to the northern, was just about where the right side of the photo ends. The place where Richard was standing when he took the photo is just a few feet inside the western boundary of his house lot.

These days the area between the far end of the property, as seen in the photo, and the cubical white building in the distance is occupied by a busy highway, known as the "New Haven Connector." (You can't see any cars in the photo because the Connector, built in the 1960's on an old creek bed, is on a somewhat lower elevation than the parking lot.) In the 1630's the place now occupied by the Connector was West Creek, which flowed, left to right (roughly north to south) as seen in the photo.

By the time the creek reached the area below William's house it had widened into a salt marsh that extended to the Long Island Sound, which in those days was not more than two hundred yards off to the right (roughly south) as seen in the photo. From the eastern edge of his property (at the present-day far end of the parking lot in the photo) William would have been able to look out out over the marsh to the wooden bridge that in all likelihood he had helped to build across West Creek, probably in the summer of 1638.

Looking off to the right, he would have been able to see the Sound itself, a couple of hundred yards away. He would have had a splendid, unimpeded view of the rising sun.

William did not live in an area adjacent to the New Haven Green, site of the meeting house and market, but rather in the western "suburbs," along with thirteen other families, whose lots were lined up, side by side, on a gentle bluff, the higher reaches of which, somewhat to the west, would later come to be known as "Sodom Hill," and eventually just, "The Hill."

To reach the New Haven Green in those days, William walked along a path that led down into the marsh (in the direction of the cubicle white building in the photo) to the wooden bridge that was probably just wide enough for an oxcart to pass. Having crossed the bridge, he headed up the path to the top of the slope on the far side and headed east (just to the left of the wavy brownish parking lot in the photo) past other farms belonging to the settlement. The walk from his house to the Green on all but the snowiest days would have taken him fifteen to twenty minutes.

Directions- If you drive (or walk) to the junction of College Street and Congress Avenue in the area of New Haven just west of the Connector, then walk (roughly) east on Congress, you will come to Lafayette Street on the right. If you continue walking a few more steps, you will come to a place where Congress veers sharply right to connect with the "S. Frontage Road." (This little dog leg in the road is clearly visible on the Brockett map and later maps.)

At this point the northern portion of the medical building parking lot will be just ahead. A chain link fence, running along the right side of the Congress Street dog leg is the boundary of the parking lot of a rather imposing medical building. It also marks the boundary of William Ives' property in 1641.

If you visit the site, you will notice that the Long Island Sound is nowhere visible from anywhere on, or near the property. That is because over the last 350 years New Haven town has expanded into the old harbor, which means that the Sound, these days, is one half a mile to the south. 

I really Richard’s photo and comments. I have long wanted to go to New Haven and do exactly what he did. Now I will have his photo to further guide me.

 

 

Request for Contact with Direct Descendants of William Ives

Richard Ives who provided the wonderful pictures of the record of William Ives departure to New England is writing a book on the William Ives family in America. As part of his research he would like to contact direct William Ives descendants on the male line.  I am eagerly looking forward to seeing his work. It is vital part of the story of our country that starts long before the American Revolution. Anyone interested in this project could contact Richard directly at lindstromives@yahoo.com.

 

 

Record of William Ives Departure to New England in 1635

Thanks to Richard Ives of Sag Harbor New York for the content for this post, both the text and the photos. It is really appreciated. Richard is the author of "Of Tigers and Men" (Doubleday 1997). He is currently working on a book about his branch of the Ives family in America. 

What follows are Richard's words: Here are a few photos of the London port book from the 1630's that lists the passengers on the "Truelove."  If you look carefully at the bottom of the left page in the righthand column, you will find "Wm. Ives" with his age, 28. This is not William's signature. As William was about to board the "Truelove" the Royal Inspector asked him to swear an oath to King Charles, which William promptly did. He then asked William his age, and William told him. The Inspector wrote William's name and age in the book and allowed William to board.

First here is the cover of the port book.

   

Here is the page that mentions William Ives. It is the very last name in the right column on the left page. You can click on the picture to slightly enlarge it. 

 

Herer is an enlargement of William's name.

Here is more context from Richard. Because writing of that period is so difficult and the Truelove passenger list is so hard to read, I thought I would translate a few things. First of all, the heading of the list (which appears at the middle of the page on which William's name is listed) reads: "xix, Sept. 1635" meaning September 19, 1635.  The words just beneath the heading read:  "Theis under written names are to be transported to New England imbarqued on the Truelove, Jo: Gibbs, Mr  the men have taken the oathes of Alleg: and Suprem:"  The "Mr" stands for "Master," meaning master of the ship, Joseph Gibbs. The "Alleg: and Suprem" mean oaths of allegiance and supremacy.

The first name in the left hand column of the passenger list is "Thomas Burchard - 40." The names of Burchard's family follow. As for William, whose name appears at the bottom of the right-hand column, the name listed just above his is that of little Joseph ("Jo") Preston, age 3. The names of five other Preston family members are listed above Joseph's. The Prestons must have boarded the Truelove just before William did. I suspect that all adult male passengers were asked to place their hand on the Bible as they swore allegiance to the Crown.

By the way, there are listings on the internet that say that William was on board the "Hector" with John Davenport in 1637. He was not. It turns out that well-meaning people have assumed that William was on board because of a misreading of a passage in Isabel Calder's New Haven history.  Calder talks about the fact that William was a member of Davenport's London congregation and implies that William was on board the Hector with Davenport. She obviously believed that he was on board. The reason Calder made this mistake was, simply, that she was unaware of the Truelove passenger list and therefore unaware that William Ives was already in Boston in 1637.

(By the way, while I was at the National Archives, I inspected the port book that ought to have included the passenger list for the "Hector," the ship that brought Davenport, Eaton, et. al. to Boston. Regrettably, the book is terribly damaged. Many pages are incomplete, many seem to be missing altogether. It looks as though the book was water damaged at some point. So, we may never be able to inspect the "Hector" passenger list.)

 On his arrival in Boston, William Ives may well have stayed with Puritan divine, John Cotton. Davenport and Cotton were friends. Davenport had hidden Cotton from Royal authorities in London before Cotton's departure for New England. William was a member of Davenport's London congregation. So the connection between Ives and Cotton is pretty straightforward. I suspect that William may have traveled to Boston as a kind of forerunner, or emissary, for Davenport and Eaton. At the very least, William probably remained in contact with Davenport and Eaton by letter until they departed from London on the Hector.

Here is the location of the archives where the book is kept.

Here is the sign in front of the building.  

Post Script: The requirement for allegiance to the king before sailing was interesting as John Davenport and his congregation were on the outs with the king. Davenport was a Puritan and his views became known to the repressive head of the English Church, Archbishop Laud. When Laud got the support of the king in 1633, Davenport hid for three months and then fled the city under disguise and went to Holland where he was made assistant Pastor of the English Puritan Church there.

Not happy in exile, he came back to London in 1636 with the idea of emigrating to New England. He and his Oxford schoolmate, Theophilus Eaton, a wealthy merchant born in Buckinghamshire, were both members of the Massachusetts Bay Company but Davenport’s name was kept secret for fear of repression, even thought there many known Puritans in the company. They assembled a group of supporters, including Thomas Yale, David Atwater, John Cooper, William Peck and their families and sailed from England for Boston in 1637 on the Hector. William Ives was already in the Boston area and joined them on their move to New Haven

 

Updated Summary of Ives Family History Blog

I started this blog on February 15, 2007 with this post Ives Family Blog Overview. I first did this summary on October 4, 2007 and this is just an update. I have put up a total of 240 posts so far. I am still getting many comments and have 286 so far. As I said then, I am writing about the descendents of William Ives, one of the founders of New Haven CT. It is not like a regular blog that posts on current events and does not go back and makes changes to prior posts. Rather it is an online draft history that I hope to continue to improve. I intend to continue to modify this document on an ongoing basis and welcome all comments, additions, and corrections. This includes going back and correcting material already posted when new evidence arrives. Below is an Ives family gathering in Pinebluff North Carolina in the early 1900s. My great grandfather, Sumner Abraham Ives, is on the far right. My grand father, Sumner Albert Ives, is next two him. The two women are my great grandmothers, Alice Dunbar Ives and Eulalia Sharp.

I have now provided all the research that I have completed to date. There have been over 80,000 page views since I started with an average of 64 a day, over a 100 on some days. I have met a number of new relatives and learned new information about the Ives family. I will continue to make periodic updates through new posts and corrections to existing material. You suggestions are welcome.

Visit My Art Gallery at Artsetter Online Gallery

I know this is not genealogy but this is my other strong interest. Artsetter is a Paris based online art gallery. I have now been accepted as one of their artists. I had to go through a voting process and I appreciate those of you who voted for me.  Now I put up an initial gallery of 24 paintings. I will add more and perhaps some drawings and photos.

I encourage you to visit the Artsetter site and comment on my work as feedback is really appreciated. When you get to the site you can find my gallery under the gallery tab. For now it is listed in new galleries but that may evolve.

Here is what I wrote in my profile. I paint with acrylics and also do simple line drawings. My focus is directly painting what I see. The goal is not photo realism but an integration of painting and seeing. I primarily do still life or painting from a model at the moment. I have experimented with landscapes from direct observation. I recently did a series on breakfast. These were done from photos. I do not go beyond what I see as I have always imagined paintings as I look at the world. Now I am having fun creating some of these images. I live and work in the Boston area (US) but also paint from my travels. I grew up in New Orleans and it remains a favorite place. I would like to paint there.

Here is a sampling of the initial works in the gallery. You can click on the images to enlarge them. 

                       
 
 
 
 

Captain Edwin Burke Ives 1884-1958

Here is the obituary I received from Sue Vetter Wemett for Captain E.B.Ives, of Verona, KS, 1884-1958. I greatly appreciate it and wanted to make it more visible.

Lincoln Sentinel-Republican, April 3, 1958

E.B. Ives

Edwin Burke Ives was born at Nevada, Mo., June 1, 1884, and passed away at his store in Vesper, Kan., March 18, 1958.

At the age of 16 he joined the U.S. Navy and in four years of service saw the world. He served during the Spanish American War and was honorably discharged in May 1905 with the rank of quartermaster.

In 1910 he was married to Amelia Mae Swartz of Salina and the young couple made their home in that city, operating a grocery store near Kansas Wesleyan University.

During World War I, Mr. Ives volunteered for duty with the U.S. Army, Aug. 1, 1917, and three months later was commissioned a second lieutenant. He served overseas in all the major engagements of World War I where he was assigned to the 2nd Division, Ninth Infantry. He was discharged with the rank of Captain in October 1919 after being decorated with the Croix De Guerre (with palms), the Distinguished Service Cross and the Victory Medal. He was in Germany for a short time after the Armistice but returned to the States when his wife died at Salina during the flu epidemic.

Following World War I, Mr. Ives returned to traveling sales work, opening the sales territory of New Mexico and Arizona for Folger and Company and later opening southwest Texas for sales and carload distribution for Wilson and Company. He organized and established the fresh Provision Company, now one of southwest Texas’ major provision companies.

In 1929 or 1930, Mr. Ives returned to Kansas, selling store equipment, refrigerator cases and similar lines. He acquired the old Vesper bank building late in the 1930s and worked out of there until World War II.

At the age of 58, Mr. Ives re-enlisted in the Army. He retained his rank of captain and was assigned to the Provost Marshall’s department in California. Later he was transferred to the Transport Command and served aboard ship in the Pacific until he was 60, at which time it is mandatory that line officers be placed on inactive-duty status.

Returning to Vesper, Mr. Ives devoted his time to his store and established a good business, always intensely interested in his community. He was a member of the American Legion Post 165 of Lincoln.

Mr. Ives leaves the following relatives: A son, Howard Ives and family of Beaumont, Texas; a daughter, Mrs. Margaret Bell of Phoenix, Ariz.; a sister, Mrs. R.J. Coleman of Phoenix, and eight grandchildren.

The funeral services for Mr. Ives were conducted by the Rev. William L. Staub, minister of the Vesper Presbyterian church, at the Hall Memorial Chapel Saturday, March 22, at 2 o’clock p.m. Interment was made in Gypsum Hill cemetery at Salina.